You don’t need to practice acupuncture for very long to realize that people frequently  slip into a deep state of quietude and repose. Often enough, they come out of a session with a completely different look to their eyes, they move slower and with a more integrated coordination, they’re focused less on the noise in their life, and more on the potency of the present.

In this conversation with John Myerson, we explore acupuncture and non-ordinary states of consciousness. This was part of a PhD dissertation he did in Psychology, but what’s more interesting is how he has evolved this exploration into his clinical work. A practice which looks quite different from his original inquiry of using needles and music to induce non-ordinary states.

Listen into this discussion of trance, leaning into the yin influence that comes from power under and how getting out of the way just might be the best way to help others.

In This Conversation We Discuss:

  • Mild trance states and clinical outcomes
  • Acupuncture is a way of being with
  • Mapping the unconscious
  • Shamanism is applied Zen
  • It’s not the selection of  points you use that matter, it’s the power you can generate in using the points 
  • Not “power over” but “power under”
  • People who are sensitive and don’t know what to do with the world
  • Cultivating and modulating your sensitivity as a practitioner
  • Resistance to change mostly comes from fear
  • Connecting with the yin “power under”
  • Energy is everywhere, and power is focused energy 
  • Thoughts on different kinds of meditation
  • Cultivating gateway opportunities
  • Concerning some dangers of shamanistic work
  • Recognizing pivotal moments
  • Listening to the channels and points
  • The suggestable power of trance states
  • Difference between deep meditative and deep trance states

This is a talk on Power. Power is a form of energy. I first make a distinction of Power over versus Power within. Power over is driven by ego and fear. Power within is connected to the One and to the cooperative human spirit, of inspired and caring expressions.​

John Myerson, Ph.D, L.Ac

I graduated from Harvard College, 1974, the first class of the New England School of Acupuncture, 1977 and received my Doctorate in Psychology from the Union Institute and University, 1991.

I served as the Chairman of the Committee on Acupuncture, Board of Registration in Medicine, Commonwealth of Massachusetts from 1987 to 2004. I was a founding member of the National Council of Schools and Colleges of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, was a founding member of the American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine, was a founding member and first President of the Accreditation Commission for Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine and was a founding member and past President of the Federation of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Regulatory Agencies.

I am a Zen Master, internal Taoist martial arts master, yoga practitioner, shaman, psychologist and I practice Oriental Medicine. I combine all of these modalities into a healing practice in Massachusetts.

In addition I am the co-author of three books on healing and expect my fourth book to be available in 2024.

Links and Resources

You can get John's books over at the big river.


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