Medicine, Not-knowing and The Curious Ways Healing Arising

With Guest: Lonny Jarrett

Episode Qi098

Medicine is an unending study. A process of learning, sifting what helps from what doesn’t, and recognizing that we often are students of the unknown.

In this conversation we explore healing, sacrifice, the importance of learning a tradition and finding a mentor.
In this conversation we discuss:
  • What got Lonny started with Chinese medicine
  • Influence of Yi Jing and Carl Jung
  • Early experiences in Chinatown
  • Studies in neurobiology
  • Graduate school and Chinese medicine did not mix
  • The lucky break that helped to get Lonny’s practice going
  • Intake and questions
  • Experience with Leon Hammer
  • How to not talk about Qi
  • What people need to start or stop doing
  • An example of working with a patient’s sense of self-victimization
  • Learning from mistakes
  • Importance of finding a mentor
  • Use what works, drop what doesn’t
  • Dealing with the liminal space of not knowing
“Qi Bo: “The utmost [principle] in treatment lies with the oneness.”
[Huang] Di: “What is that to say, the ‘oneness’?”
Qi Bo: “There is oneness, and therefore one gets it.”
[Huang] Di: “How?”
Qi Bo: “Close the door and shut the windows,
tie yourself to the patient,
repeatedly inquire about [his] feelings,
adapt [your treatment] to his sentiments.
If one gets a hold of the spirit, the [patient] will prosper;
if the spirit is lost,
[the patient] perishes.”
[Huang] Di: “Good!”-NJSW 13”
Lonny Jarrett
I wrote my college entrance essay in 1975 on differences between the Eastern and Western world views discussing acupuncture as a symbol of the those differences. When I took my first course in Chinese medicine in 1980, I instantly recognized that I had to pursue it as a career to become a whole human being. After 34 years of Clinical practice I remain passionate about the path of medicine. I find it to be humbling, engaging, and calling me ever deeper into inquiry and wholeness. I contemplate daily what the Bodhisattva vow means when it implores us to “become both the physician and the medicine.”
Links and Resources


Online community and PDA classes: www.nourishingdestiny.com

Teaching schedule: www.chinesemedicine.courses

Books: www.spiritpathpress.com



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I’ve heard it said that for something to be heard — it takes someone to speak and another to listen.

Michael Max

Acupuncturist, Podcast Host
About me
I've always been more drawn to questions than answers. And the practice of medicine seems to more lively when infused with a sense of curiosity and inquiry. It's been delight and honor to be able to discuss our medicine with so many thoughtful and skilled practitioners.