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Change unfolds within the  predictable cycles Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches. But, what actually emerges into being, that is usually novel and surprising. 

In this conversation with Christine Cannon, we explore the Wu Yun Liu Qi—the Five Movements and Six Qi—and how this intricate system maps out the energetic cycles that shape everything from world events to the experience of our inner psycho-emotive landscape. Christine shares her experience of working with these influences in her clinical practice and how this perspective deepens her understanding of diagnosis, treatment, and seasonal shifts.

Listen into this discussion as we explore how these ancient ideas reveal patterns in illness and healing, how they can help practitioners refine their clinical skills, why the concept of ‘host’ and ‘guest’ qi matters, and how seasonal influences show up in everything from gardens to personal health.

Christine’s insights remind us that medicine is not just about treating symptoms—it’s about understanding the larger forces at play, the cycles that shape us, and how we can work with them instead of going against them.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• The foundational concepts of the Wu Yun Liu Qi and why they matter
• How ancient Chinese medicine texts mapped qi cycles through time
• The Five Movements and Six Qi: what they are and how they interact
• Understanding how seasonal energy shifts influence health and disease
• How to use guest and host qi in clinical practice
• Observing these cycles in nature—what gardens can teach us about qi
• Why wind and fire years can create challenges for health and the environment
• How global events can reflect energetic patterns seen in Chinese cosmology
• The 60-year cycle and its repeating influences on world history
• The impact of different qi cycles on emotions, mental health, and physiology
• The importance of stepping away from theory to experience these cycles firsthand
• How to recognize patterns in patient symptoms based on seasonal qi
• Practical ways practitioners can incorporate Wu Yun Liu Qi into their diagnosis
• The challenge and reward of engaging with complex classical medical texts

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Be present, keep it simple, less is more, cultivate humility and meet everyone where they are.​

Christine Cannon, DAOM, L.Ac

I have been in clinical practice for going on 32 years. During this time I have worked with and coached thousands of patients to improve their health and wellbeing using acupuncture, East Asian herbal medicine, and diet and lifestyle. I would consider myself a general practitioner, although my strength and experience is heavily weighted on herbal medicine – my first love –  and women’s health. 

I have taught in some capacity for the majority of that time and as I gained more clinical experience I moved into teaching diagnosis and differentiation, internal medicine, gynecology and provided clinical supervision, which I loved, for master’s and professional doctorate programs, while also providing continuing education courses both in-person and online. 

For the past 5 years I have been engaged in a deep dive into the WuYun LiuQi from the Huang Di Nei Jing Su Wen, which is providing me with insight into how the qi influences of any given year/time can impact every aspect of our being and the environment.

I have completed two clinical internships in China and completed my clinical doctorate in acupuncture and herbal medicine (DAHM) from the California Institute of Integrative Studies in 2015. I continue to teach, coach and mentor my patients, students and practitioners in the US and internationally.

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Links and Resources

Visit Christine on her clinic website, or at the Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine Resource Center.

You can also find her on Instagram. 

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Heaven and Earth, the creative and the created, micro and macrocosm. All ways of saying there is a reality we inhabit, and beyond that a lot of mystery. And mystery is something us humans have, at best, an ambivalent relationship with.

We seek to find some sense of order in what can be a captiously unsettling and unpredictable world. We look to the heavens and seek a larger frame for our experience as we look for the patterns that connect.

In this conversation Deborah Woolf graciously entertains some questions that I had arise after her Qiological Live presentation on the Earthly branches. 

Listen into this conversation on how Earth reflects back the influences of Heaven.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• Earthly branches are about Time
• We can map, not the qi cycle of the organs, but also the human life cycle out on the Chinese Zi Wu clock
• The Gallbladder’s relationships with pre-natal and jing,
• The San Jiao and Pericardium arise at birth when the septum of the heart closes, and the channel system then begins to function
• Thoughts on the last 18 days of each season, which can be seen as an aspect of the Earth phase
• Translating Yi as intention has some problems
• The Branches are about both the channel and the seasonal aspect
• Why it is more helpful to call a channel by its full name
• The curious correspondence between yin and yang Earthly Branches and the Saam organ pairs
• How relationships of harmony in the Ba Zi and with the astrological animals is interestingly enough mapped right onto the body
• How the channels are the intermediary between the organs on the inside and the climate on the outside
• You don’t need to do a lot in terms of treatment to be effective, but you do have to be clear in the message you’re sending to the body
• What go-to’s do you use when you’re not quite sure what to do
• Just when does a season begin?

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​I am a crazy keen acupuncturist and super enthusiastic lecturer, who, by chance, have discovered and loved the cosmology and numerology inherent in Chinese Philosophy and Medicine. I was lucky to start studying (10 years after I know I wanted to be an acupuncturist) at the UK college that teaches the most philosophy and theory, based on Five Phases, wuxing 五行, and Stems and Branches, wuyun liuqi 五運六氣. My course was a 5 year long extravaganza, and I came out the other side, exhausted, changed and driven. Since then (20 years ago) I have not stopped treating, teaching and studying: these three activities interact fruitfully with each other, allowing me to deepen my understanding and practice of this amazing approach to health, the body and the cosmos.

As I am the daughter of academics I took what I was taught and read around the subjects, so that I was able to immerse myself more fully in ancient Chinese culture. I have followed Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallee for 25 years, and have studied classical Chinese for at least 15 years. I may not be able to ask for soup, but I can make a stab at translating very obscure classical Chinese texts! This immersion and reading and teaching has allowed me to apply my ‘apprentice’ style learning to my practice. I thoroughly appreciate and love what I do and am grateful daily for the opportunity to learn more and be able to help my patients even more!

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Links and Resources

Download this PDF of a few essential charts which is a helpful reference for this conversation on the Earthly Branches.
There are parts of this episode that will be easier to follow if you have the charts handy.

Here’s the link to the recordings of Deborah’s Qiological Live series on the Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches.

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Life is built on rhythms, the natural world is constantly in a state of transformation. A cyclical flow of growth and decline—manifested in the turning of the seasons, waxing and waning of the moon, and the oscillation of day and night. The intertwined correspondences to the universal tidal flows are the warp and weft upon which our lives, our health, and our medicine is woven. This knowledge is preserved in the Chinese Lunisolar calendar.

Harmony comes from living in accordance with the shifts in time; honoring and riding those waves. Leaning into the seasonal flows brings us closer to the natural rhythm of our medicine. It invites the universe to run through us as we live into greater states of coherence.

In this conversation with Sheri Lee, we explore the seasonal cycles of qi according to the Chinese Calendar and how to align ourselves with the changing tides and flow of time. We discuss the seasonal markers to keep an eye on, the earth phases, the 24 nodes, and the Japanese concept of doyo. In addition to aligning ourselves with the seasons, we talk about aligning ourselves to what our patients are showing up with.

Listen into this discussion on living right with time and being in harmony with the seasonal rhythms and tidal flows of the year in our personal lives and clinical work.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• Exploring the system of “Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches”
• A fascination with chapter 8 of the Ling Shu – Finding the alignment to spirit in a turbid earthly realm
• The 24 solar segments on the Chinese Lunisolar Calendar and attuning ourselves to the shifting tides
• Seasonal markers that have a “larger than usual influence on patients” in clinical practice
• ‘Unraveling’ the Earth phases and setting rhythms of consistency in our clinical work
• Japanese seasonal doyos and the cultural practices surrounding those times
• Tapping into the shifting seasonal energies to form new habits
• Living right with time
• Relearning to be a conduit to help our patients figure themselves out
• Suggestions for newer practitioners on practices or things they can do to move through that early developmental phase

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Nothing in this earthly life is permanent, we are in a state of constant transformation. Whether you consider your view good or bad, it is only temporary. The easiest way to flow is to find comfort in what you cannot control.​

​In my studies of EAM and Daoist traditions, I am reminded that after 2Oyrs in practice, it is humbling to know nothing. What fascinates me most these days is the coalescence of pre and post heaven qi, where cosmology meets embryology; and the numerology of three and eight. I seek being in relationship with heartSpirit, which provides deeper knowing-how.

Much like the rings of a spiral, reflection and awareness remind me that each stage of learning (and life) feels familiar, yet is realized from a completely different perspective. And, perhaps, all we need to know we learn in cycle one, though the richness and discovery expands with each go around.

In 2018, during my fourth pregnancy, I began a more intentional relationship with time, space and life cycles. Combining my obsession with the seasons, numerology, patterns and symbols; I began creating visual representations of the information I was absorbing and sharing to guide me. As my understanding of the Neijing deepens, my receptivity as a conduit for its wisdom supports me to be a better human, mother, partner and practitioner.

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Links and Resources

Sheri has created a lovely calendar that to help you orient to the Chinese seasons.

Here are a few videos that Sheri recommends:
Deborah Woolf, who has also been on the podcast discussing Stems and Branches, has a delightful 15 minute talk on the 24 fortnights of the Chinese year
Intro to Seasonal Qi Gong with Tom Bisio
Numerology in the Classics: Unfolding the Mystery of Life with Élisabeth Rochat de la Vallée

Recommended reading:
Eight Winds in the Heavens: Seasonal Health Secrets and Qi Gong Exercises from Daoist Sages that Prevent Disease
and Promote Optimal Health & Vitality by Tom Bisio and Valerie Ghent
The Symbolism of Numbers in Classical China by Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallée
Rooted in Spirit: The Heart of Chinese Medicine by Claude Larre and Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallée
Classical Chinese Medicine by Lihong Liu

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Everyday we sit with people in our clinic and puzzle through the questions of “What is going on for them,” “Can I see clearly what they need,” and “Do I understand how this person is an expression of yin/yang, heaven and earth?”

Our patients have a story. And so do we, except we usually call it Chinese medicine theory and we are seeing if we can take our Western minds into the world of East Asian medicine, and come back with something helpful. Our Western minds orient us towards the linear, but Chinese medicine thinking– that has us going in circles, cycles and waves.

Today’s conversation with Deborah Woolf came about because I had some questions, and more than few, about the Heavenly Stems after her recent Qiological Live presentation on the topic.

It’s not that I previously gave this topic of study a pass, I’ve talked about it with friends who have investigated this aspect of medicine in a significant way. But I wasn’t able to grasp the dynamics of the Stems in any meaningful fashion. That changed with this conversation.

Deborah has been studying and teaching this stuff for a while now. And thanks to this conversation. I think I’m starting to get it.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• The Zang are a reflection of the Heavenly Stems
• Earth responds to the impulse of five and ten, to the impulse of Space with with the six and twelve of Time
• The ancients looked to the sky as a way to understand how to live on earth
• Waves and particles, circular processes and Sine waves
• The lightness and brightness of yang heaven, and the heavy turbidity of yin earth are not value judgements, they are descriptions of reality
• Our Western minds are deeply impressed with the salvational mindset that is inherent in the Judeo-Christ worldview, but there is no place for that when considering the Stems and Branches, and this is something to which we need to be attentive
• Phases and Yuns are not the same, but they share similar characteristics in that a deficiency in one aspect, can cause an excess in the other
• Organs can be paired by phase and they can also be paired by yun
• Point pair possibilities with the five yun
• Unpacking Su Wen 66, In heaven yang generates and yin grows, on earth yang kills and yin stores
• How Shen, Zhi and Yi all play into the experience of Intention
• Puzzling on the meaning of “yang kills, yin stores”

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I am a crazy keen acupuncturist and super enthusiastic lecturer, who, by chance, have discovered and loved the cosmology and numerology inherent in Chinese Philosophy and Medicine. I was lucky to start studying (10 years after I know I wanted to be an acupuncturist) at the UK college that teaches the most philosophy and theory, based on Five Phases, wuxing 五行, and Stems and Branches, wuyun liuqi 五運六氣.

My course was a 5 year long extravaganza, and I came out the other side, exhausted, changed and driven. Since then (20 years ago) I have not stopped treating, teaching and studying: these three activities interact fruitfully with each other, allowing me to deepen my understanding and practice of this amazing approach to health, the body and the cosmos.

As I am the daughter of academics I took what I was taught and read around the subjects, so that I was able to immerse myself more fully in ancient Chinese culture. I have followed Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallee for 25 years, and have studied classical Chinese for at least 15 years. I may not be able to ask for soup, but I can make a stab at translating very obscure classical Chinese texts! This immersion and reading and teaching has allowed me to apply my ‘apprentice’ style learning to my practice. I thoroughly appreciate and love what I do and am grateful daily for the opportunity to learn more and more and so be able to help my patients even more!

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Links and Resources

Here are some slides from today’s conversation that will help to orient you to the practice
Heavenly Stems and Five Yun

In this conversation Deborah referenced:
The Chinese Sky During the Han, Constellating Stars and Society, by Xiaochun Sun and Jacob Kistemaker
Sticking to the Point Vol 1, by Bob Flaws
Order in Space: A Design Source Book, by Keith Critchlow

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Stems and Branches are old Chinese science. Our medicine touches on it, but most of us rely on the more modern perspectives for our clincal work. The Stems and Branches speak to a perspective of the universe and our place in it that is foreign to our minds not because of language and culture, but because we live a world that focus more on humanity than cosmos.

In this conversation we touch on the influence of numbers, the spiral nature of unfoldment and change, a few things about the Hun and Po that will surprise you, how time and space give us different glimpses into reality and how a sense of playfulness wtih medicine and philosophy just might be a most wise approach.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• How Deborah found her way to studying the Stems and Branches
• Closing of the heart septum and its relation to Imperial and
• Ministerial Fire
• Are we looking from heaven or looking from earth. From the creative or the created?
• Chinese medicine and philosophy is numbers based
• 五運六氣 five movements and six qi, Su wen 66-74
• A deeper look at Hun and Po
• The three in one
• Orienting in Time and Space
• How to read the Su Wen
• Considering the extraordinary fu
• Latest interests and projects
• Advice to new practitioners

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Keep it simple; if you can immerse yourself as much as possible in classical Chinese way of seeing the cosmos/body then you will always do things better!

Keep going back to the basics: what everything is based on gives you ALL the clues… that’s why theory and study of classical Chinese history/culture/language helps acupuncturists to be much better practitioners

Deborah Woolf, L.Ac

I am crazy keen acupuncturist and super enthusiastic lecturer, who, by chance, have discovered and loved the cosmology and numerology inherent in Chinese Philosophy and Medicine. I was lucky to start studying (10 years after I know I wanted to be an acuouncturist) at the UK college that teaches the most philosophy and theory, based on Five Phases, wuxing 五行, and Stems and Branches, wuyun liuqi 五運六氣. My course was a 5 year long extravaganza, and I came out the other side, exhausted, changed and driven. Since then (20 years ago) I have not stopped treating, teaching and studying: these three activities interact fruitfully with each other, allowing me to deepen my understanding and practice of this amazing approach to health, the body and the cosmos.

As I am the daughter of academics I took what I was taught and read around the subjects, so that I was able to immerse myself more fully in ancient Chinese culture. I have followed Elisabeth Rochat de la Vallee for 25 years, and have studied classical Chinese for at least 15 years. I may not be able to ask for soup, but I can make a stab at translating very obscure classical Chinese texts! This immersion and reading and teaching has allowed me to apply my ‘apprentice’ style learning to my practice. I thoroughly appreciate and love what I do and am grateful daily for the opportunity to learn more and more and so be able to help my patients even more!

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Number six in the Umbrella Academy is Ben, the dead one. Or is he?

We talked in this episode about the magic square, here’s more intel on it. We also discussed other ways of divining the cosmos. 

Su Wen 11
“Brain, Marrow, bones, vital circulations (mai), Gall Bladder, Uterus: these six are produced by the qi/Breaths of Earth. They store the Yin and they reflect the image of the Earth. Their name is ‘the extraordinary and permanent fu’ (qi heng zhi fu).

The St, Co, Si, Th, Bl, these 5 are produced by the Breaths of Heaven; their Breaths reflect the image of Heaven; this is why they make flow and do not store. They receive the unclear Breaths of the 5 zang. Their name is ‘the fu for transmission and transformation’. They cannot keep for a long time without transmitting so as finally to flow out/evacuate… Thus the 5 zang store the essences/Breaths [Jingqi] and do not make flow… The 6 fu transmit and transform and do not store.”

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