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To use herbs within the scope of traditional Chinese medicine, we must first understand the qualities, temperatures, and tastes that dictate how each herb will function. Flavor, Taste and Nature gives us a snapshot of how an herb travels in the body, how it functions and the dysregulation or disharmony it may address.

With the botanical world lending us a diverse palette of flavors to promote health and healing, the art of herbs in Chinese herbal medicine comes down to the skillful use of flavors individually and in combination to balance the phases and the corresponding channels and organs. It’s like the artful combination of textures and flavors in a kitchen—but to restore health and harmony to the body.

One of the defining strengths of our therapeutic practice is the ability to match individuals with particular botanical medicines. As such, a practitioner’s experiential understanding of an herb’s energetics via the direct perception of taste, flavor, and nature was—and still can be—a powerful tool for healing.

Today’s conversation is one borne out of synchronicity. What was scheduled to be a 3-person panel discussion with Simon Feeney, Loren Stiteler, and Boris Bernadsky turned out to be a ‘party’ as Andy Ellis and Frank Griffo joined us. The outcome was a lively exchange that covered diverse topics around herbs. We mulled over the flavor-based nature of herbalism, the shortcomings of our education system, the variability of herbs, and the processing/preparation of Chinese herbs

Listen into this discussion on how flavor, taste, and nature can inform our understanding and clinical application of herbs.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• Learning and unlearning the flavor and nature of herbs in traditional Chinese medicine

• Flavor and the factors that contribute to the function of an herb

• Making sense of the experience of taking an herb, attending to what is happening to your physiology, and adapting it into clinical practices

• A cautionary tale on experimenting with herbs

• The variability of herbs and the influence of cultivation practices on their effect on the body

• Differences in physiology and the personal nature of our medicine

• The extraction process to create flavorful herb products

• Imposition of the Western models of medicine

• The need for formal education to teach a flavor and nature-based approach to herbalism

• “What are some tips for people interested in exploring how flavor and nature can help inform their work in herbalism?”

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Endeavor to fit the theory to the world; do not try to fit the world to your theory.​

 Hi! My name is Loren, and I’m one of the few second generation practitioners of Traditional Chinese Medicine outside of the East Asian community. Growing up around acupuncture and herbal medicine engendered within me a keen interest in the Chinese sciences. And when I began my undergraduate education, I finally had the opportunity to travel to China where I fulfilled my childhood dream of studying Mandarin.

I now use my linguistic skills in the preservation of traditional Chinese medicine through the research of medical literature and by teaching medicine, philosophy, and history at Yo San University.

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There is no one best approach, sometimes you need to give patients a foot rub, or use hair thin needles they don’t feel, other times you need to make them look like a porcupine.​

I first experienced how effective Acupuncture can be after suffering a back injury as a teenager. I was unable to walk without pain, and doctors were unable to offer any solutions. My mother took me to see an acupuncturist. It was like a hot knife through butter – I walked out of his very first treatment without pain. After going to Acupuncture school, I discovered multitude of schools I’ve thought and studied with many teachers. 

My first exposure to traditional medicine that actually worked was with Stephen Jakowicz, and my first exposure to a more modern approach was with Daniel Wunderlich. I had many more teachers but it wasn’t until I met Andrew and Julieann Nugent-Head that I started to feel as though I could see how things fit together.

Now I run a clinic in Raleigh with my wife, and am enjoying treating both simple and complex conditions.

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Simon Feeney is the Director of Empirical Health.

He also continues pursuing his lifelong passion for studying Traditional Medicine under a Theravadin Buddhist Monk, who has guided his learning for the past 20 years. Along with his studies in the classical Chinese Medicine works of the Han Dynasty (200BC) and the refined art of Traditional Japanese Acupuncture.

Simon is also a trained Bowen Therapist.

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Don’t give up on herbs.  The benefit your patients and your practice.  Start small, then go big.​

I have been in private practice as well as providing adjunct care for several clinics and hospitals since 2005.   I have worked collaboratively with The Pine Street Clinic, POST Wellness, The Center for Neck and Back Pain, Doctor’s Hospital, and Elephant Pharmacy.  I am a Subject Matter Expert for the California Acupuncture Board and for legal disputes involving acupuncture and chinese medicine. 

In 2009, I began making herbal extracts because I wanted high quality, professional herbs to give my patients.  This pursuit led to Griffo Botanicals.  These extracts can now be found in 45 states and three countries.   

I received my BA in Comparative Religion from UC Berkeley in 2001 and MS in Traditional Chinese Medicine in 2005.  After completing my masters, he spent seven years studying advanced acupuncture techniques at the knee of Master Dr. Ou.

I currently reside in Petaluma, CA with my wife, two kids, dog, chickens, koi, garden and orchard.  

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I began my study of Chinese medicine at the New England School of Acupuncture in 1981 with Dr. James So. In 1983 I went to Taiwan to study Chinese and apprenticed in herbology and acupuncture there with Xu Fu-Su in Zhang Hua. I also studied with Chen Jun-Ming in Taipei. In 1986 I went to mainland China and studied acupuncture with Dr. Shi Neng-Yun for six months and in 1988 returned to Xiamen to study dermatology, gynecology and internal medicine at the Xiamen Chinese medical hospital. I lived at the hospital for about a year. In 1990 I had the opportunity to study ear, nose and throat with Dr. Gan Zu-Wang in a one-month intensive program in Xiamen.

I returned to the US later in 1990, practiced in Florida and two years later moved to California to teach herbology at the American College of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In 1992 we founded Spring Wind Herbs, Inc.

Since that time I have practiced and taught Chinese medicine and translated, co-translated, edited or written several books on Chinese medicine including the following:

Notes from South Mountain – Thin Moon Publishing
The Clinical Experience of Dr. Shi Neng-Yun – Thin Moon Publishing
A Walk Along the River – Eastland Press
Formulas and Strategies (Second Edition) – Eastland Press
Fundamentals of Chinese Medicine – Paradigm Publications
Fundamentals of Chinese Acupuncture – Paradigm Publications
Grasping the Wind – Paradigm Publications
Handbook of Formulas in Chinese Medicine – Eastland Press
Ten Lectures on the Use of Medicinals – Paradigm Publications

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Links and Resources

Interested in learning herbs in the way we discussed here in this conversation? Learn more at the Herb Immersion Workshop with JuliAnn Nugent-Head.

Visit Loren on this website, Instagram or on Tiktok
Visit Boris on his website and on Instagram
Visit Simon on his website, and check out Springwind for some of his honey pills
Visit Frank’s website to learn more about his potent and flavorful extracts, or visit his Instagram
Andy Ellis, of course, you’ll find him over at Springwind

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There is more to growing herbs than understanding plants. There are the considerations of soil, economic environment, weather patterns, cultural and market forces, and the kind of eye and vision that can see the interactions of these forces not just over seasons, but years or decades. 

In this conversation we explore the cultivation of Chinese herbs here in the West with one of the pioneers of the movement to bring domestic cultivation of Chinese herbs from a curiosity to viable economic reality. 

Listen in for a glimpse the ecosystem required that makes domestic production of Chinese medicinals a possibility. 

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• The Chinatown tour that changed everything
• Robert Newman, the Johnny Appleseed of American Chinese herb cultivation (now at Emperor’s College)
• The “underground” network that shares plant material
• The difference between hobby and production gardens
• It all comes back to the soil
• The issue is our loss of connection with Nature
• Practice is so different from theory
• Industrial vs Agrarian values
• The importance of the microbial health for the soil
• Restoration agriculture
• Sustainably growing herbs for the American market is a decade or more long project
• How we can help support the development of sustainable medicinal herbs grown in the USA

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Jean Giblette 

In late 1993 Chinese herbal medicine hit me like a bolt from the blue. I was at Lin Sister Herb Shop in New York Chinatown, soon after that was led to study with Dr. Jeffrey C. Yuen and was launched on an incredible journey.

The plants called me. I was 45 years old, knew that clinical work was not for me but was fascinated by traditional herbal medicine. Everything in my experience coalesced at that point — my childhhood in rural Minnesota, my high school summer job working for agronomy grad students at NDSU in Fargo, my post-college career in community mental health research, administration and fundraising, and especially our move to Philmont, a rural village in upstate New York.

Now, 25 years later, my journey continues to offer amazing revelations around each bend in the road. It’s a great privilege to work with East Asian Medicine practitioners, scientists and farmers in the USA and to develop domestic production of Asian medicinal herbs. The path has led in recent years to China, where I advocate for ecological agriculture. Traditional medicine and ecological agriculture are our royal road to health — that’s why I remain an optimist.

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An East/West Integrated Approach to
Healing Trauma and Building Resiliency

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Links on soil & health:
Charles Massy: How regenerative farming can help heal the planet and human health

Gabe Brown:  Keys to Building a Healthy Soil

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Classic Medicine & Rich Clinical Experience
Study Herbal Medicine with Dr Yu, and a
Group of Accomplished Western Chinese Medicine Herbalists

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As herbalists we know a thing or about the therapeutic application of botanicals. But the lifecycle of plants we work with, the way they interact with their environment, the differences between cultivated and wild medicinals, and the farmer’s eye that takes in the influence of weather, the rightness of soil, companion plants, insects, nutrients and stressors, all these are hidden from view when we are not connected to the growing and harvesting of the herbs we use.

Cultivation is not just giving the plant what it wants. It also includes giving the plant what it needs so it can develop its medicinal properties. And there are risks when bringing a plant from one ecosystem to another. What lives in balance in place could become an unrestained problem in another.

Listen into this conversation on the challenges, risks and opportunities of cultivating Chinese medicinal herbs in the west.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• How Peg got in to herbs
• Growing quality herbs
• Cultivation and the mimicking of nature
• Attending to the lack of natural predators
• Teaching and education is part of the jo
• Challenges of bringing herbs to market in the west
• How practitioners can help

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The Herbalist and the Farmer:
Inevitably a herbalist visiting the farm will say, “What?! You grow them and don’t know how to use them?” To which I retort: What? You use them and don’t know how they were grown?”

Peg Schafer, Farmer
The Chinese Medicinal Herb Farm was started 21 years ago in Petaluma by me, Peg Schafer specializing in nursery and field-grown Asian medicinal plants. Experimentation with various cultivation methods lead to a focus on certified organic, wild-simulated herb cultivation. To date more than 260 different Asian medicinals have been trialed from germination through harvest. My team and I maintain a living collection of over 300 Asian medicinal plant species under cultivation, a unique collection of which some are rare and botanically authenticated.

Currently the farm is primarily an educational endeavor and I teach cultivation methods of efficacious medicinal plants budding and established growers as well as Oriental Medicine students and practitioners via on and off-farm workshops. Also included in my endeavors is working with various farm operations and grower/practitioner enterprises, herbal companies, botanic and research institutions and other stakeholder industries. Advice is available for all aspects of medicinal farm, garden or nursery herb production operations as well as marketing applications to foster successful endeavors.

Lectures addressing herb quality, ecological cultivation practices, traditional Chinese herb production, conservation and other issues affecting Chinese herbs at schools of Oriental Medicine, conferences, and community events.

In an effort to reach more people I wrote a book called The Chinese Medicinal Herb Farm.  

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Celebrating 50 years of supporting herbalists

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Read Peg’s book on growing medicine Chinese herbs

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Celebrating 50 Years

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Welcome to this short series of conversations from the Shen Nong Society’s conference. 

You’ll find here some conversations with participants of this day long gathering, and more in-depth conversations with some of the presenters. 

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We will start with Kevin Ergil and go into into the history and impact of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994. There is a lot in the background that we don’t think about on a daily basis, and yet it provides a foundation for being able to practice with herbs.

Listen in to this deep dive into the regulations that affect our practices, but which we rarely consider on a day to day basis.

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• Privileges and challenges of being classified as a dietary supplement
• History of the FDA
• Good Manufacturing Practices and what this means for your herbal clinic
• We are allowed to operate as we do because of enforcement discretion
• What happened with ma huang
• Just because something is in your scope of practice, that does not mean you are quality to do do it
• Simple things you can do to keep your patients safe and protect your ability to use herbal products
• Why joining your state and national organizations is a darn good idea
• The political process takes time, patience is required
• How Kevin stays motivated when working on issues that take years or decades to resolve

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Here are a couple articles on how the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act affects acupuncturists and herbalists
Prepared Medicines in Relation to FDA CGMP for Dietary Supplements
How do Food and Drug Administration CGMPs for Dietary Supplements Affect Oriental Medicine Practitioners

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Discussing medicine with a seasoned practitioner is like drinking well aged whiskey. Dr. Yu Guo Jun graciously agreed to sit down with Michael Fitzgerald and myself after his morning lecture at the Shen Nong Society’s conference.

If you’re an herbalist, you’ll enjoy this discussion of the six confirmations. Listen carefully, there is something in here about how the levels connect that you might not have heard before.

And do check out the PDF in the show notes area that our friends at The Lantern sent along. It will help you to better understand some of the turns in this particular conversation.

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• Zang fu and six levels
• A perspective from the fire school
• The paired five phase aspects of the six levels
• Qi transformation of the six channels
• Clinical usefulness of open, close, pivot
• Considering the pivots
• Some of the ways illnesses can transmit through the channels

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Doctor Yu now has two books that have been translated into English. You can purchase them from Eastland Press. 

Also, for a clear discussion of the “root, branch and middle” that Dr Yu discusses in this conversation, read this article that was written by Liu Du-Zhou and translated by Steve Clavey for another view on how the 六經, six confirmations are connected to and influence each other.

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Learning formulas is far more than memorizing as series of functions and indications in a book. It requires a kind of attentiveness. A sort of rigorous and yet flexible way of parsing a patient’s signs and symptoms and checking it against both your book knowledge and clinical experience.

In this discussion we explore that tender edge of knowing, not knowing and how to operate in the clinical reality of uncertainty.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• A formula and discussion that treats vertigo
• Pattern recognition is important, but it is also important to understand traditional disease names
• When to pay attention to a symptom and when to ignore it
• Even when a treatment is successful, do you go back and try to really unpack why things went they did
• The fine balance of testing a formula
• The value of writing up a case study
• Considering your Plan B as you’re writing your first formula

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We mistakenly thought our conversation with Dr Yu had ended, but what can I say… wrong again.

There is a little more of the conversation genereated from Dr Yu’s thoughts on the qi transformation of the six confirmations and the role of theory in the clinic.

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In This Conversation We Discuss:

• Dr Yu’s thoughts on Open, Close, Pivot
• The qi transformation model helps us to both understand the use of physiology and keep an eye out for how to prevent creating new problems in as we work on the main complaint
• There is a lot of theory that does not make sense, or is not that helpful in clinical work
• Yang ming issues can become tai yin issues with improper treatment, but it rarely goes the other way from tai yin to yang ming

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Again, here’s that link to the excellent article from The Lantern on qi transformation through the six confirmations by Liu Du-Zhou.

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Sometimes takes an instant to know you might fall in love with something. And then it takes years, even decades to unfold all contained in that initial spark.

When it comes to the study and practice of Chinese herbs, you’re signing on for a lifetime of learning. Some would see that as a barrier, other’s as an opportunity.

The guest of today’s podcast conversation took it as an opportunity. One that not only has helped her to expand her own clinical understanding, but also assist others with their study and clinical application of Chinese herbal medicine.

Listen into this conversation on how one person’s passion has helped to create a conference and resource network for those interested in Chinese herbal medicine.

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In This Episode We Discuss

• Dr. Yu’s book  “A Walk Along The River”
• Sally’s favorite resources
• The Hu Xi-Shu & Feng Shi-Lun perspective
• Thoughts on some formulas
• What’s changed Sally’s thinking in the past 10 years

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 One of my favorite insights from studying the SHL is the differentiation of wind-heat and wind-cold. Where I practice, many savvy non-practitioners know about Yin Qiao San or Gan Mao Lling and take it at the first sign of a cold. However, most people in the NY area I find present with a scratchy throat when they first get sick. I stock Gui zhi tang individualized granule packets in my office, sell them for 50 cents and use them for these symptoms with “the method”:  
1 Drink Gui zhi tang tea.
2 Eat one cup of oatmeal (traditionally rice congee)
3 Get under the covers and rest for at least 2 hours to promote a slight sweat or feeling of warmth to resolve the wind-cold.  

I have copies of these instructions printed up to hand out to my patients. I give many patients a back up supply to have on hand.The method works like a charm!  Of course, if someone presents with clear indication of wind-heat – a severe sore throat, the Yin qiao san or Gan mao ling could be used at an early stage to treat their condition.

Sally Rappeport

I started out as a dancer and evolved from there into healing my body with sound and breathing techniques.  Eventually I explored Chinese Medicine theory, studying with Jeffrey Yuen in Chinatown in NY and fell in love with the herbs. I loved the way they looked and smelled and so many of them were roots, with a very earthy quality. Once I got through acupuncture school and started practicing, I grounded my affinity with the plants themselves by doing an internship at High Falls Gardens with Jean Giblette (I’m now on the board of the High Falls Foundation). At some point I decided to dive deeper into the intellectual practice of studying the Shang Han Lun in order to become a more effective herbalist. I think studying with Sharon Weizenbaum helped me feel much more confident in my diagnostic skills and then studying with Dr. Feng Shi-Lun, the SHL formulas and the 6 conformations became even more clear.

The way I treat patients is constantly evolving still after 20 years of practice. Several years ago, in my tiny Brooklyn office, I added a granular herb pharmacy. It was not my ideal, but it was pragmatic for both me and my patients. It enabled me to individualize formulas, provide a small amount of a formula for a few days, to keep the prices down and to keep working on refining my formula modifications. Right now I’m planning to create a database of cases with formulas to use for teaching in the future. In the past I’ve stayed old school and kept paper charts. I look forward to the possibilities of having a database that will enable me to systematically look at modifications of formulas also.

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Visit the website of the Shen Nong Society
For more information about the cultivation of Chinese herbs in the US visit High Falls Gardens
Sally found Sharon Weizenbaum’s Graduate Mentorship Program to be helpful
Here is a terrific introduction to the methods of Drs. Hu Xi-shu and Feng Shi-Lun

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[/et_pb_code][/et_pb_column][/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=”2_3,1_3″ _builder_version=”3.25″ background_size=”initial” background_position=”top_left” background_repeat=”repeat”][et_pb_column type=”2_3″ _builder_version=”3.25″ custom_padding=”|||” custom_padding__hover=”|||”][et_pb_text admin_label=”intro to show” _builder_version=”3.27.4″ text_font_size_tablet=”51″ text_line_height_tablet=”2″ header_font_size_tablet=”51″ header_line_height_tablet=”2″]It’s easy for us to think that because we have a darned good English version of the material medica that the centuries of herbal knowledge is at our finger tips. But there is a lot of back story to the medicinals that we use everyday in our practices

Where herbs come from, how they are cultivated, how different plants have been used over the centuries; there is a lot we take for granted. Or simply trust our suppliers to have worked out the details of identification and quality. The medicinals we use regardless of whether they are granulated, tableted or raw have a natural history. This includes not just the process of growth and harvest, but also various kinds of processing as well.

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• What Eric has been up to lately
• Issues around herb identification
• Manufacturing of granules in different regions
• The Taiwanese way of prescribing granules
• The effect of alkalinity
• The origin of 5 to 1 ratio for granulated herbs
• What to consider in prescribing the right amount of herbs
• What’s on the horizon

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Eric Brand, PhD, L.Ac

Simply put, I am an herb nerd with a passion for materia medica. I feel lucky to have had the chance to work with fantastic teachers at every stage along my journey, which seems to have gradually evolved from a focus on medicine to a focus on pharmacy. I started studying Chinese when I was 19, so when I began studying Chinese medicine at the Pacific College of Oriental Medicine, I forged a relationship with the boss of a traditional Chinese herb shop in San Diego, where I spent three years filling formulas and soaking everything up like a sponge. After I graduated in 2003, I moved to Taiwan and had the great fortune to be taken in by Nigel Wiseman and Feng Ye for many years. Nigel’s tutelage in Chinese language, translation and terminology turned out to be life-changing, and my big homework assignment from Nigel resulted in our publication of the text Concise Chinese Materia Medica in 2008.

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Visit Eric’s website Legendary Herbs for high quality granulated herbs
There is also lots of good stuff on the Legendary Herbs Facebook page

Eric is a prolific writer, here are a few articles for your inner herb geek:
Preserving the Natural and Cultural Resources of Chinese Medicine
Changes in Herbal Medicines from Ancient Times to the Present
Authenticity in Chinese Herbalism
Herb Identification
Historical Changes in Chinese Medicinal Materials
Clinical Importance of Pao Zhi

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[/et_pb_code][/et_pb_column][/et_pb_row][et_pb_row column_structure=”2_3,1_3″ _builder_version=”3.25″ background_size=”initial” background_position=”top_left” background_repeat=”repeat”][et_pb_column type=”2_3″ _builder_version=”3.25″ custom_padding=”|||” custom_padding__hover=”|||”][et_pb_text admin_label=”intro to show” _builder_version=”3.27.4″ text_font_size_tablet=”51″ text_line_height_tablet=”2″ header_font_size_tablet=”51″ header_line_height_tablet=”2″]The words “qi and blood stasis” frequently work their way into our diagnosis of a patient’s situation. But getting blood stasis from the realm of theory and  into our perceptual vocabulary takes some practice. And this can be quite helpful especially when working with cases that don’t resolve the way we think they should.

In this conversation we look into how the long term effects of blood stasis can cause problems 5, 10, 20 years down the road that become baffling as the usual stuff just doesn’t work. Or makes things worse.

Listen in for how paying attention to this commonly seen problem in clinic can help you to improve clinical results and unwind some knotty problems.

 
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• Obvious signs of blood stasis, what to look for
• The critical importance of understanding pathomechanism
• A case study with Xue Fu Zhu Yu Tang in the treatment of PTSD
• Other signs of Blood Stagnation
• Deficiency taxation and the use of da huang si chong wan, a case for why you should not be afraid of using bugs in the treatment of blood stasis
• Learning from our mistakes
• Distinguishing a healing crisis from mistreatment
• Even when you feel like you’ve done well with a patient, take a look to see if there is something you’ve missed

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Check the lower leg for signs of blood stasis: rough, dry, scaly skin, pigment spots or darkening, purple blood vessels, thickened or cracked heel, etc.

Greg Livingston, PhD, LAc, is unique amongst Chinese medicine practitioners in the west. He completed a Chinese Medicine PhD in China, entirely in Chinese, and is one of the few westerners licensed to practice Chinese Medicine in China, where he spent over ten years in total as a student, teacher, and Chinese Medicine physician. Dr. Livingston has over 20 years of clinical experience specializing in general internal medicine with an emphasis on cardiovascular and respiratory diseases. He especially enjoys the challenge of  working with individuals who have stubborn and difficult conditions.

Dr. Livingston earned his 4-year Masters in Chinese Medicine from Five Branches Institute (1997), in California, and his PhD in Clinical Chinese Medicine from Zhejiang Chinese Medicine University (2009), in Hangzhou, China. During his 10+ years in China he studied with numerous senior-level doctors, spending thousands of hours in clinic with them and seeing tens-of-thousands of patients. During the majority of this time he also practiced in local and international hospitals and clinics.

Dr. Livingston left China and relocated to Portland, Oregon in 2013. Currently he is a core faculty member at the Oregon College of Oriental Medicine (OCOM), and maintains a private practice at Root and Branch clinic in Portland’s west-side hills.
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In this episode we take a look at some of the common concerns practitioners have about herb quality, issues surrounding the use of pesticides, heavy metals and sulfur. Additionally we discuss how the concerns of Western herbalists has to some degree changed the herb market and growing practices in China.

In the later part of the show we explore the use of granulated formulas. Explain why the 5:1 concentration that most products tout is misleading. Why crafting formulas and dosing granules is not the same as dosing raw herbs because granules are a fundamentally different medium of delivering herbs.  And finally,  how we can begin to think about dosing this herbal product that is fairly new on the Chinese herbal medicine scene.

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• How Springwind herbs came into being
•  Pesticide testing and how pesticide use has changed over time
•  Legal issues around pesticides on imported herbs and the choices companies and individuals make
•  Find a vendor that matches your values and perspective concerning herbs and pesticides.
• The situation with organic herbs from China
• A reason for not using pesticides that we often forget about
• A few pertinent issues around heavy metals and Chinese herbs
• Sulfuring of Chinese herbs, there is a difference between sulfides and sulfur
• Granules, why the stated 5:1 concentration does not reflect reality
• Understanding source herb to final product ratio
• So, just how are we supposed to dose granules if we can not be sure of their actual concentration?
• How granules are used and dosed in Taiwan
• Some herbs can not be concentrated
• A few thoughts to keep in mind concerning “integrated medicine”

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The guest of this show 

I began my study of Chinese medicine at the New England School of Acupuncture in 1981 with Dr. James So. In 1983 I went to Taiwan to study Chinese and apprenticed in herbology and acupuncture there with Xu Fu-Su in Zhang Hua. I also studied with Chen Jun-Ming in Taipei. In 1986 I went to mainland China and studied acupuncture with Dr. Shi Neng-Yun for six months and in 1988 returned to Xiamen to study dermatology, gynecology and internal medicine at the Xiamen Chinese medical hospital. I lived at the hospital for about a year. In 1990 I had the opportunity to study ear, nose and throat with Dr. Gan Zu-Wang in a one-month intensive program in Xiamen.

I returned to the US later in 1990, practiced in Florida and two years later moved to California to teach herbology at the American College of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In 1992 we founded Spring Wind Herbs, Inc.

Since that time I have practiced and taught Chinese medicine and translated, co-translated, edited or written several books on Chinese medicine including the following:

Notes from South Mountain – Thin Moon Publishing
The Clinical Experience of Dr. Shi Neng-Yun – Thin Moon Publishing
A Walk Along the River – Eastland Press
Formulas and Strategies (Second Edition) – Eastland Press
Fundamentals of Chinese Medicine – Paradigm Publications
Fundamentals of Chinese Acupuncture – Paradigm Publications
Grasping the Wind – Paradigm Publications
Handbook of Formulas in Chinese Medicine – Eastland Press
Ten Lectures on the Use of Medicinals – Paradigm Publications
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Links and Resources

Andy runs Springwind Herbs
Sign up for a practitioner account and get access to some helpful articles on Thoughts about Pesticides, Organic Herbs, and Herb Contaminants.

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Studying medicine can be both a joyous exploration and a dry mind-numbing slog through endless technical material.

In this episode we discuss the Eastland Press book “A Walk Along the River.” This book is not just a glimpse into the mind of a seasoned and well-read practitioner, but also brings in the aspect of dialogue, as his clinical cases and considerations are further illuminated by the questions posed by three doctors.

If you’ve ever read a book on medicine that gave you the “what” of a treatment, but left you hanging because it failed to include the “why,” this book will be a useful addition to your library.

In this episode we discuss the process of translating, dig into Dr Yu’s thinking, and touch in on how to move forward when you don’t know what to do.
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• This is an unusual book in that much of the learning is based on dialogue between Dr Yu and his students.
• Dr Yu’s way of combining Eastern and Western medicine in a way that stays true to Eastern medicine.
• Some thoughts on different schools of medicine.
• Time, place, culture and circumstances all are an influence on medicine.
• The Shang Han Lun was based on the older Tang Ye Jing
• How translating this book has influenced clinical practice.
• It’s not enough to accept Chinese medicine theory, we have to think about it and understand what’s behind it.
• What to do when you don’t know what to do.
• Dipping into the experience that comes before the creation of mental models.

The guest of this show

Michael owns Stone Mountain Medicine, an acupuncture clinic and herbal pharmacy in Berkeley California. After graduating from ACTCM in San Francisco he spent 8 years in Taiwan and China continuing his studies in the clinics of many well-known physicians, including Huang Huang, Feng Shi Lun, Wang Ju Yi, Chang Bu Tao, Chen Jun Ming and others He speaks fluent Mandarin and has edited and translated numerous articles and books about Chinese medicine.

He has a lovely family that consists of his wife and two children.

Links and Resources

Get your own copy of A Walk Along the River from Eastland Press.

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